Pope Shenouda hits again!

A couple of months ago I wrote the post “Pope Shenouda & the SCAF” as I was pissed off from the situations that we get to in consequence of the pope’s actions.


Today was the Coptic Christmas eve, the first Christmas eve without Mubarak’s son attending the mass, without all those familiar faces of the bastards who stole our money and helped oppressing a population but, we exchanged them for 18 generals who are accused now of killing hundreds, injuring, torturing and jailing thousands as well as using internationally prohibited chemical weapons against peaceful protesters.


I do not care if they went to attend the mass or not, I do not care if the pope let them in but the bottom line is that .. He can let them in BUT not to THANK them for coming!


Ghada Kamal who got tortured by the military and Samira Ibrahim who was subjected to a virginity test were not allowed to enter the cathedral although they had invitations and that is one thing.


The second thing was the pope thanking the SCAF members who attended for coming and finally the third thing was Peter Youssef who shouted “Down Down with the military rule” when the pope thanked the generals was beaten by the security men of the church!


All those 3 incidents in one church on one day during the mass made me so angry to an extent that I couldn’t handle it and kept insulting the pope -who is kind of sacred to Copts – in front of my relatives. It is a SHAME on Christians to accept such acts, we will NEVER allow those kind of actions in the post Mubarak Egypt!


If me – A guy living abroad – feel angry, how about the martyrs’ families? I can’t even imagine how they felt seeing the ones who murdered their kids, husbands, fathers and brothers being thanked by their pope? feels like a stab perhaps? I really don’t know!


Again, the pope should stay out of politics WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! Let us build our country on our own without any kind of interference from priests of sheikhs! they have done enough for Mubarak and we did NOT exchange Mubarak for the SCAF so that they back the SCAF up like how they did with Mubarak. We will get to our goal sooner or later and all those who stood against the revolution will have a special black place in history!


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7 Responses to Pope Shenouda hits again!

  1. hanyfhg says:

    so true, I owe all the families of the martyrs an apology and need to say, we share their grief, and will never forget them, and to Peter so sorry cuz u were the only man there and u deserve to be honored. As for Samira and Dr. ghada , the honor of having them among us is greater than any of those pretenders who came

  2. Anna-Lisa Shokry says:

    While I totally understand your frustration, I must say that I think your approach to this situation is kind of naive. Whilst you say the Pope should stay out of politics I reckon that actually happens to be what he is doing in these pressed situations – he uses diplomacy for neutrality since doing the opposite will mean he is taking a stand to something which automatically makes him politically aware/effective, hence putting lots of lives in danger and creating a whole NEW set of issues nobody wants. Having said this, you might even realize that he is sort of put in politically critical situations whether he wants to or not, since he happens to be the “unofficial official” leader of an entire ethnic group.

    Now I am not much for blindly following or protecting a hierarchal order, but insulting the Pope (or anyone else for that matter) because you are frustrated about a situation seems a bit harsh don’t you think? I’m all for putting the blame where blame is needed, but I seriously doubt that he ordered for, or even agreed with, a beating to be exercised (a pathetic act witch only shows the disturbed cultural mentality of the masses) so blaming him for the entire ordeal just seems like your grabbing for anything at this point.

    The “thanking” part of the speech I understand must seem very over the top, but if you consider these acts being made by a highly religious man acting accordingly to his religious views you might see he actually has a purpose with the words he chooses to express himself with, a purpose higher than simply showing contempt, anger and spight towards the people who have done you harm. Rhetorically speaking, being the “bigger man” on behalf of an entire population who’s been wrongfully treated for a long time shows courage and strength. Psychologically speaking he does a million times more for everybody affected than do the people who try and fight fire with fire. He is showing an entire nation how to be forgiving and peaceful in all harms way. And to me there is nothing political about that.

    • Sorry Anna-Lisa, First he is representing an entire group -Copts- spiritually NOT politically, he has been thanking Mubarak, his son and all those bastards for decades which did affect us after the revolution. Accepting the murderers of “his children” in his church is not an example of forgiveness after he asked Copts to fast for 3 days mourning the martyrs of the Maspero incident, he has no right whatsoever to forgive them unless the families of the martyrs say so -which they didn’t-. he should have either ignored their existence just as much as he ignored the Islamists during the Mubarak era or just not allow them to attend in the first place.

      If the pope is “forced” to be put in political situations then since he is an honest man -of course- he should just say so and do the right thing instead of shaming all of us!

    • Ninette says:

      I totally agree with you about the insulting part, we all love the Pope we never insult him
      becuase we all know he was chosen by the Holy Spirit, BUT also as a church leader he has a big responsibilty to be FAIR.
      The church could have simply didn’t send any invitation this year to attend the mass not only to the SCAF but no invitation , this way the church could have avoided a lot of problems.
      I understand as a Pope He should call for peace , but I think if the church didn’t invite any of them would be agsainst peace or forgivness !!

  3. Sara Al-Ashmawi says:

    اللي يجنن أكتر اللي يدبح أكتر الناس اللي سقفت لقتالين القتلة دول لما البابا شكرهم، هي الناس اللي بتحضر الصلاة بتتنقى؟؟؟

  4. Ninette says:

    I Usually don’t like to criticize the church leaders,especially the pope,because I belevie He was chosen by the Holy Spirit, But being in this position put even more responsibilities on him.
    I understand as a Pope he should call for peace, but this is completely different,and I’m sure he understands the situation like all of us do, these people’s hands killed innocent people and injured
    even more (Muslims&Christians).
    I totaly agree with you , these people shouldn’t have been invited to the church , the church shoudn’t have accepted any Christmas greetings from them because simply they are CRIMINALS !!

  5. MinaMak says:

    It is very frustrating for us as humans to accept and tolerate the crimes and violence that has occurred to our brothers and sisters in Egypt, especially over the past several years. Unfortunately I do not agree with justanegyptian regarding the pope. As the spiritual man that the pope is, I can only imagine the dilemma in his heart when he thought about how to approach the situation. He had 4 options

    1 – Not invite anyone and not get involved with the situation, which would be a clear insult to the military & government
    2 – Not invite them and publicly express his disagreement with the military and new government
    3 – Invite them and not recognize their presence
    4 – Invite them, support the army’s positive actions, secretly discuss their crimes and violence, and thank them for showing up to encourage their support and peace towards the coptic community in Egypt

    This is a very difficult decision that the pope has to make on a regular basis with whichever government is leading the country. The pope as the spiritual leader of the Coptic people embodies who all of us should be as Christians and also is our advocate with the government.

    In his wisdom and high spirituality, he choose the path of Christ, who forgave his persecutors at the moment of worst suffering and pain. We oftentimes forget that the pope himself has been through so many different leaders in Egypt, was under house arrest and severely humiliated under Sadat, and as witnessed in his tears at the death of his spiritual children, must be in extreme pain at the suffering of his people.

    If he alienates the church from the government, he will be in danger of causing more vioence and crimes against the church. But, when he forgives and befriends the government, he is called a traitor and is ridiculed. I firmly believe that in these days of persecution, the Lord truly gives wisdom to His leaders, especially since it is when persecution occurs that the church passionately stands together in prayer to the Lord. I understand your frustration, but I think it is important to give acknowledgment of the wisdom that lies at the heart of the decisions that are made.

    If the pope supported Mr. Peter Youssef in his cries, “Down down with the military rule!” he would again cause conflict between the church and the military/government. We should as the people of God stand firm and united in prayer and urge the Lord to guide his leaders that they may always act in wisdom.

    Just my thoughts. I hope I did not offend anyone. God bless.

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